Glenury Royal 36 years old 1968 51,2% for € 199,00

[andyt]

And when the strongest words have all been used
And all the new ones sound confused,

[Exciseman]

First of all, I absolutely acknowledge Mark's right to operate WWW as he sees fit. No ifs, buts or maybes.

But, personally, I don't have a problem with anyone (whether an interested party or otherwise) showcasing unusual expressions, rare expressions, retail bargains, personal sales and personal swap offers.

On the 'dark side' site, a few people abused the privilege by hawking bottles at outrageous prices. Or by trying to manipultate the market with claims of excessive rarity. The moderators on that site should have given those individual a 'yellow card' and then kicked them off. Easy. Others would soon get the message.

Swaps frustrate me the most. I have spare bottles which others on this site might love, and vice versa. But we'll never know. Sadness.

[WhiskyNotes]

And TWE is a well-known shop with a solid reputation, used by many of us.

Not all of the WWW visitors live in the UK, you know. Whiskysite is well-know in this part of Europe, just like TWE in the UK (well... almost). If you want to make WWW a UK-only forum, that's fine, but it would be a shame to block users/shops just because the offers are less interesting for part of us. I regularely shop in NL / DE / UK / FR so I want to know when they have special offers!

On the other hand I do agree there is a difference between "quick posters" who only come to a forum to up their sales and others who are contributing users who happen to own / work in a shop. I do get nervous sometimes by these kind of hit-and-run posters and for the moment I don't think Whiskysite has provided a lot of contributions (yet?) Maybe it would help to identify commercial users in a certain way, with a tag or a badge next to their name?

I second all the positive comments about the shop by the way. Good prices and good service.

[Malt-Teaser]

WN,
this is an international forum with members from around the globe so your argument about it being a UK only forum holds no ground.

The problem here was in breaching our guideline of no selling on the forum. I will say again that 'sellers' can be identified by taking out banner advertising with Mark (ButePhoto) and they can then use this (paid for) banner to advertise their wares or shop.

Malty

[Pete Smoke]

Yes, thank you, I am very gratefulous for the clarificationalism.

I wouldn't mind learning more American.

[les taylor]

Yes, thank you, I am very gratefulous for the clarificationalism.

I wouldn't mind learning more American.

Just listen to a few of George Bush jnr's speeches. That should do it.

[Malt-Teaser]

After a quick look around I also see that WM have stopped allowing selling on their forum now:

http://www.whiskymag.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=12345

OK, so some people on here may be official traders, but this is just more reason not to allow selling on here IMHO.

[Pete Smoke]

Yes, thank you, I am very gratefulous for the clarificationalism.

I wouldn't mind learning more American.

Just listen to a few of George Bush jnr's speeches. That should do it.

I do, what on Earth is he on about?

[Pete Smoke]

After a quick look around I also see that WM have stopped allowing selling on their forum now:

OK, so some people on here may be official traders, but this is just more reason not to allow selling on here IMHO.

If Mark creates an area for commercial traders it would have to be well observed. But it could tidy up this issue. As many users like to hear about offers perhaps they should be catered for. Otherwise it should be stopped completely. Dont sellers and buyers form small 'old boys networks' of favours and recommendations? Who should we trust to not bend the rules? I look for my own bargains, then i have only myself to blame if it goes wrong. For that reason i think the original rules should stand and it should be stopped completely.


Personally i would never act on offers posted in this forum, especially official traders.

[C57]

And TWE is a well-known shop with a solid reputation, used by many of us.

Not all of the WWW visitors live in the UK, you know.

And indeed, Mr TH is not from the UK, but North America

Yes, thank you, I am very gratefulous for the clarificationalism.

You're not George Bush Jr. or Dan Quayle, are you?

[Malt-Teaser]

Ok, we should be back on topic now.

I have cut out and moved all "EU Tax & Distance Selling" related topics to the relevant discussion elsewhere on the forum; http://www.whiskywhiskywhisky.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1782

If anyone wishes to continue discussing EU Tax (Duty & VAT) & the Dustance Selling Directive (2008/118/EC) then please do so on the above linked thread.

Otherwise, for Glenury and this selling discussion; As you were, fall in below and take your turns.


Malty

[Exciseman]

I knew nothing about the Lewis New Spirit until I saw the article on here and the link to the distillery website. Very welcome.

[whiskysite]

Ufff... i had never the intention to make it such a long topic... my apologies to the admins etc... for this matter...

Jack

[Malt-Teaser]

Swaps frustrate me the most. I have spare bottles which others on this site might love, and vice versa. But we'll never know. Sadness.

Watch this space!

Malty.

[Mr Tattie Heid]

Ufff... i had never the intention to make it such a long topic... my apologies to the admins etc... for this matter...

Jack

Jack, we should apologize to you--none of this is any reflection on you and your business, and I think we all recognize that you were just trying to do us (well, and yourself, too) a favor by letting us know about a deal. It's just kind of a touchy issue on this forum, going back to the very reason it was founded. We'll sort it out one way or another. In the meantime, you are of course very welcome to participate as a member here.

[Mr Tattie Heid]

I wouldn't mind learning more American.

I'll shift this topic down to Stuff & Nonsense:

viewtopic.php?f=16&t=3151

[Lawrence]

No, Lawrence, I don't equate a member noting that his collection is being auctioned elsewhere with coming here and hawking directly.

Well! I've been told!

Actually it's a double standard; some people can and others can't. Either allow it or don't but don't just let your friends sell but nobody else can. Or just the moderators can....the other part that's very odious is some people trying to 'protect' others from making a mistake.

I'm sure we've seen the last of Jack, just like the Bruichladdich fellow last summer.

Whatever.

[MacDeffe]

On the danish forum we have a subsection called "selling and buying", which could be supplemented with a "Good offers" section (where you point to good deals which isnt your own)

On the danish forum we had a few trying to sell for outragous prices but they get slaughtered

Macdeffe

[laddie teun]

The name of this section of the forum is: "Special Offers, Deals and Competitions"
the Glenury offer is a pretty special offer I woudl say.
Just to get this straight: it is ok if a forum member posts the offer he has seen in a shop. But not if the shop does it themself? Or not if it is not a regular poster who posts the offer? (how many posts needed before you can post an offer?)
Personnally i like to be informed of as many special offers as poissible. I would create a clear special section where shop offers can be posted.
Private persons offering a bottle for sale is a bit different perhaps. Although I still wouldn't mind being informed. But i can understand this might lead to some problems the administartors want to avoid.
Ah well, as mentioned before, i think it is a great forum, with or without sepcial offers being posted!

[Malt-Teaser]

Some good points are being made here and yes, it's also making me question my own thoughts on "allowed or not allowed".

As has already been alluded to, this forum came into existence because of problems elsewhere that we wanted to prevent from happening here too. So it was always agreed "No Selling".

We always understood this as clear cut; Nobody could post that they were selling a bottle or bottles, however, if a member saw a good deal somewhere, usually associated with a supermarket special offer, like the recent supermarket Ardbeg 10y offer, it was fine to let people know. No links were posted and the 'deal' was not posted by the supermarket in question.

So, where are my thoughts going on this one?

What would happen if another member saw this Glenury special offer and posted details about it? (As opposed to the seller himself posting)
Is it the inclusion of a link to the sales page that's the problem?

This one thread has caused so much discussion that I think we mods should discuss the issue with Mark and at least come up with a clear policy. I am in Scotland next week and will spend a little time with Mark (if he's still free) so I'm sure we'll discuss this at some point.

Just to add one more point; It was also understood (I thought) that 'Sawpping' was included in this taboo, but a recent 'Swap' post by a relatively new member also caused the Mods to discuss whether this should be allowed or not. We have generally agreed that swapping should be allowed (but not swapping for money ) in the sense of samples. I personally welcome this idea and Mark has promised to create a home for swapping within the forum to prevent the swap posts from impacting other ones and also from appearing right across the various forii as today, it isn't clear where they should be.

So, Mr. Exciseman your / our wish will soon be fulfilled

Malty

[Aidan]

I think this is a good idea. Best be fair to all.

The Whisky Exchange ad on the top of the page guarantees "secure worldwide shipping" and (rightly) there doesn't seem to be a problem with this. The whiskysite.nl seems to be a reputable shop too.

[C57]

And therein lies the other question - why would anyone buy a banner if they can just post their prices on a thread?
And can we survive without a little income.

Difficult decisions. Input on that, anyone?

[Mr Tattie Heid]

I'm sure we've seen the last of Jack, just like the Bruichladdich fellow last summer.

If he's only here to sell, I'm not too broken up. This is a forum for enthusiasts to discuss whisky, not an advertising supplement.

WM had a clear policy on selling, meant to allow members to sell the odd bottle to each other, but expressly forbidding commercial listings, and implicitly discouraging touts and speculators. The ruckus over there would have been avoided had they simply enforced their own clearly-stated policy.

I don't care whether selling is allowed here or not, but I understand the circumstances in which this forum came to be, and support the right of the Supreme Dictator to impose whatever policy he sees fit, as well as to apply it as he sees fit, whether anyone thinks it's fair or not. It's his forum.

[Pete Smoke]

Theres nothing like a good debate to get things resolved.

[Peat Sampras]

Theres nothing like a good debate to get things resolved.

Or a good fisticuff