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The Ileach Cask Strength - which distillery?

Postby Pentium » 03 Mar 2010, 17:21

Hi guys,

some points at first. Though I'm gonna write about the taste of it, I decided to not post it in the "tasting notes" section because:

-My tasting notes aren't that good and/or detailed as the ones in that section
-I'd like to ask your opinion about from which distillery the bottling is

Also I searched " The Ileach" using the Advanced search, but found no appropriate thread. So if any admin (are there more than Mark alone? :oops: ) thinks there already is a thread about it or that this belongs to the "tasting notes", please move it :P . Back to topic...

I recently tasted The Ileach Cask Strength (2009 bottling). WOW! Heavy. Certainly one of the roughest whiskies I have ever tasted. The combination of heavy peat, 58% alc. and the almost complete absence of sweet and fruity notes make it a real challenge. This whisky is a nice one. I'm curious how my taste and the Ileach in the open bottle develop after some time. Really good, strong, fundamental stuff!

My guess about the distillery: Laphroaig. At the beginning, I'd say Lagavulin, but develops like the Laphroaig QC, though much rougher. Couldn't taste any Caol Ila in it, though rumors are it is a CI.

Any of your thoughts are welcome. Please discuss :D

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Re: The Ileach Cask Strength - which distillery?

Postby Mark C » 03 Mar 2010, 18:14

It's Lagavulin. The same company bottle Caol Ila as Finlaggan.

I moved the thread to Scotch Whiskies, just to be different ;)
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Re: The Ileach Cask Strength - which distillery?

Postby Pentium » 03 Mar 2010, 18:21

butephoto wrote:I moved the thread to Scotch Whiskies, just to be different ;)


:lol: I love this forum!

You seem to be pretty sure about it being Lagavulin... May the Laphroaig QC be a Lagavulin too? ;)
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Re: The Ileach Cask Strength - which distillery?

Postby Duffer.dk » 03 Mar 2010, 18:30

Lagavulin for sure..... The only bottle I did'nt manage to empty myself...
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Re: The Ileach Cask Strength - which distillery?

Postby Peat Sampras » 03 Mar 2010, 21:23

I like the stuff and it comes at an affordable price. Mine's almost empty but it's one that's def. gonna be replaced.

I heard many times it was Laga, so it be.
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Re: The Ileach Cask Strength - which distillery?

Postby Anster » 03 Mar 2010, 22:10

Aye, It's a youngish feisty Lagavulin, I belief the NAS CS is about 7-8yo? (please correct me if I'm wrong). I'm not a big fan of the Lag 16, bit too much hot smoke and sherried kippers and not enough else, although the Lag CS 12yo I really like. The Ileach CS really works for me, big peaty hit with loads of sweet oils but not a hint of the sickly aftertaste I get from the Lag 16. Lovely stuff indeed!
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Re: The Ileach Cask Strength - which distillery?

Postby kallaskander » 04 Mar 2010, 11:44

Hi there,

statistics speak against it being a Lagavulin.

I say Caol Ila. Statistics speak for that.

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Re: The Ileach Cask Strength - which distillery?

Postby Mark C » 04 Mar 2010, 12:28

As I previously stated, the same company bottles Caol Ila as Finlaggan.

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Re: The Ileach Cask Strength - which distillery?

Postby Pete Smoke » 04 Mar 2010, 12:56

Im certain its Lagavulin. I know of one retailer that insists its Ardbeg and another that its a CI. These young(ish) Islays can be difficult to tell apart at times.

Has anyone noticed the variation in the Ileach? I had a bottle that was very oaky once. Theres always the possibility that they have used different distilleries over the years.
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Re: The Ileach Cask Strength - which distillery?

Postby kallaskander » 04 Mar 2010, 16:17

Hi there,


butephoto wrote:As I previously stated, the same company bottles Caol Ila as Finlaggan.

;)


if this is still true then it is a Caol Ila as well. Finlaggan and Ileach contain the same malts.

As to statistics.

Caol Ila is the largest distillery on Islay.

Lagavulin is working 24/7 to meet demands for the 16, the Distillers Edition and the White Horse and Johnnie Walker blends and some more. To create some relieve for the 16 the 12yo cask strength was introduced.

Obviously they sell some to the makers of Black Bottle as Burn Stewart still claim it contains all Islay malts.

What is left für some independent companies who want to bottle much needed Lagvulin under an fancy name and sell it young and cheap, then ?

It is done, never fear. Cadenheads Classic Islay is 98% Lagavulin with 2% Caol Ila afaik.

Finally I heard some time ago that Diageo stopped selling Lagvulin Oban Talisker Dalwhinnie and other malts to outside customers years ago.
But I can not verify that information I picked up somewhere a while ago at the moment.

So statistics say it is Caol Ila. ;)

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Re: The Ileach Cask Strength - which distillery?

Postby Pentium » 04 Mar 2010, 16:56

After a second and a third taste, If I had to place a bet, I'd still say Laphroaig...
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Re: The Ileach Cask Strength - which distillery?

Postby Peat Sampras » 04 Mar 2010, 21:45

A dude who owns a whisky shop told me he knew it was laga because the dude from highland and island whisky in milngavie told him it was ... doesn't mean that's true.
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Re: The Ileach Cask Strength - which distillery?

Postby Mark C » 04 Mar 2010, 22:42

kallaskander wrote:Hi there,


butephoto wrote:As I previously stated, the same company bottles Caol Ila as Finlaggan.

;)


if this is still true then it is a Caol Ila as well. Finlaggan and Ileach contain the same malts.

As to statistics.

Caol Ila is the largest distillery on Islay.

Lagavulin is working 24/7 to meet demands for the 16, the Distillers Edition and the White Horse and Johnnie Walker blends and some more. To create some relieve for the 16 the 12yo cask strength was introduced.

Obviously they sell some to the makers of Black Bottle as Burn Stewart still claim it contains all Islay malts.

What is left für some independent companies who want to bottle much needed Lagvulin under an fancy name and sell it young and cheap, then ?

It is done, never fear. Cadenheads Classic Islay is 98% Lagavulin with 2% Caol Ila afaik.

Finally I heard some time ago that Diageo stopped selling Lagvulin Oban Talisker Dalwhinnie and other malts to outside customers years ago.
But I can not verify that information I picked up somewhere a while ago at the moment.

So statistics say it is Caol Ila. ;)

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Your statistics sound a bit more like hearsay than actual fact. Mostly the last bit.

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Re: The Ileach Cask Strength - which distillery?

Postby Mark » 04 Mar 2010, 23:51

I have had a few bottles of the ileach CS now and believe it to be Lagavulin and a great dram for your money, just my opinion, no books, hearsay or statistics involved so i am am probably wrong :? but i am not bothered, as i said a great dram for your money. Anyone tried the Ileach Peaty bottled at 40% abv, i almost bought it a few times but end up buying the CS as i know i enjoy it.
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Re: The Ileach Cask Strength - which distillery?

Postby Anster » 05 Mar 2010, 03:37

I have never tasted a Caol Ila like it if it is, nor I wager, has anyone else! 'Statistics' or not, it is what it is: a damn good dram for the money.
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Re: The Ileach Cask Strength - which distillery?

Postby Mark C » 07 Mar 2010, 00:29

Talking to one of the VMW Co guys again today (they're confirmed as attending our festival, by the way) I heard an interesting thing: the new Islay ferry, Finlaggan, will be stocking none other than...wait for it...bottles of Finlaggan!

Great piece of marketing there, I thought.

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Re: The Ileach Cask Strength - which distillery?

Postby Peat Sampras » 07 Mar 2010, 00:32

Sippin on some Ileach CS and that will be me first entry inna the "last bottles emptied" thread for it was the bottle I was most fond of. Magnificent stuff whatever make it is. Bravo
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Re: The Ileach Cask Strength - which distillery?

Postby Mark C » 07 Mar 2010, 00:36

Peat Sampras wrote:Sippin on some Ileach CS and that will be me first entry inna the "last bottles emptied" thread for it was the bottle I was most fond of. Magnificent stuff whatever make it is. Bravo


I can assure you 100% it is not Caol Ila ;)
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Re: The Ileach Cask Strength - which distillery?

Postby Peat Sampras » 07 Mar 2010, 00:40

butephoto wrote:
Peat Sampras wrote:Sippin on some Ileach CS and that will be me first entry inna the "last bottles emptied" thread for it was the bottle I was most fond of. Magnificent stuff whatever make it is. Bravo


I can assure you 100% it is not Caol Ila ;)


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Re: The Ileach Cask Strength - which distillery?

Postby Pete Smoke » 08 Mar 2010, 20:12

Pete Smoke wrote:Theres always the possibility that they have used different distilleries over the years.

I'll raise this point again!
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Re: The Ileach Cask Strength - which distillery?

Postby Mark C » 08 Mar 2010, 20:17

Pete Smoke wrote:
Pete Smoke wrote:Theres always the possibility that they have used different distilleries over the years.

I'll raise this point again!


Nope, not that either. Lagavulin. Young. That's all.
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Re: The Ileach Cask Strength - which distillery?

Postby Pete Smoke » 08 Mar 2010, 20:26

butephoto wrote:
Pete Smoke wrote:
Pete Smoke wrote:Theres always the possibility that they have used different distilleries over the years.

I'll raise this point again!


Nope, not that either. Lagavulin. Young. That's all.

I do agree. I'm just being a nuisance!
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Re: The Ileach Cask Strength - which distillery?

Postby Mark C » 08 Mar 2010, 20:27

Pete Smoke wrote:I do agree. I'm just being a nuisance!


That's usually my job!

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Re: The Ileach Cask Strength - which distillery?

Postby MacDeffe » 08 Mar 2010, 20:39

Hi Guys

Just to pour some more gas on the fire I'd like to add my 2 cents

Many years ago, I'd reckon 8 or so (maybe more) I had a bottle Ileach. It was Bowmore. I am pretty sure it was, because sometimes a whisky can't hide its Bowmore. This lavender-perfume note(I wouldn't say FWP thou) is a stamp in my opinion. A few years and also now and again I retried this and it wasn't Bowmore stylish these times. If it was Caol Ila, Laphroigh, Lagavulin or even a clean Bowmore I couldn't say...

One of the advantage for a bottler to have a content as unknown Islay is that they can change the distillery as they like..maybe thats what happened with Ileach, thats what I think anyway

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Hurrah!! :)
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