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Rum - what's your favourite(s) ?

Postby Christian » 15 Nov 2008, 17:34

So which ones do you like?

I have a sweet spot for the the rhum agricoles from Martinique which is made from fermented sugar cane juice and not molasses like most of the rest. Two very good ones I've tried are J.M Rhum Vieux Agricole and Trois Rivieres - both of the 1997 vintage. Mount Gay Extra Old from Barbados is another firm favourite. I've only tried one rum from Jamaica and that was the fantastic Appleton Estate Extra Rum 12 yo - which isn't for sale in Norway :(
Pampero Anniversario is also excellent but I cringed at the Zacapa Centenario 23yo which is generally very well thought of.
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Re: Rum - what's your favourite(s) ?

Postby C57 » 15 Nov 2008, 19:14

Hard question.
Like whisky, I like different rums at different times.

I really like Cockspur VSOR, SMWS Trinidad single cask and El Dorado 15
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Re: Rum - what's your favourite(s) ?

Postby WhiskyViking » 15 Nov 2008, 22:06

Christian wrote:but I cringed at the Zacapa Centenario 23yo which is generally very well thought of.


Too bad. If you have any left over, just send it my way.

PS! The Zacapa 23yo is for the time being available at Copenhagen Airport for 265 DKK (~£30) for a litre!

PPS! Anybody had the Havana Club Cuban Barrel Proof?

PPPS! Christian, Appleton Estate Extra 12 Years Old is available in Norway, for a "mere" 550 NOK (~£53).
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Re: Rum - what's your favourite(s) ?

Postby SoMK » 15 Nov 2008, 22:21

Mmmmm, I love rum !
I'd have to go with Pirate XO, ron Zacapa 23 or El Dorado 15 or 21 yo 8-)
For easy drinking on a week day, Appleton Extra is quite ok.

Yay, edit : In Europe I tried 3 excellent bottles as well : J.Bally 1998 -Martinique, Vieux Rhum Neisson and Clement 10 yo in oak barrels. Very cool !
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Re: Rum - what's your favourite(s) ?

Postby Christian » 16 Nov 2008, 00:26

WhiskyViking wrote:
Christian wrote:but I cringed at the Zacapa Centenario 23yo which is generally very well thought of.


Too bad. If you have any left over, just send it my way.

.......... :oops: I gave it to my father in law who poured into his coffee....

PPPS! Christian, Appleton Estate Extra 12 Years Old is available in Norway, for a "mere" 550 NOK (~£53).

:shock: That's fantastic news Whiskyviking - was this part of the November release?
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Re: Rum - what's your favourite(s) ?

Postby WhiskyViking » 16 Nov 2008, 08:27

Christian wrote: :shock: That's fantastic news Whiskyviking - was this part of the November release?


No, earlier than that - but I can't say exactly when it was released. But a pub in Oslo had it listed in January. So at least sometime last year seems credible.
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Re: Rum - what's your favourite(s) ?

Postby Christian » 16 Nov 2008, 12:55

WhiskyViking wrote:
Christian wrote: :shock: That's fantastic news Whiskyviking - was this part of the November release?


No, earlier than that - but I can't say exactly when it was released. But a pub in Oslo had it listed in January. So at least sometime last year seems credible.

Great :) Thanks WhiskyViking - you saved me a lot of grief and sorrow now!
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Re: Rum - what's your favourite(s) ?

Postby tmaufer » 20 Nov 2008, 07:02

Zaya (if you can still get it) is excellent. I don't know the story, but I think the company got purchased by a drinks conglomerate and then got shut down. Again, I'm probably way off base, but that's what I heard third-hand.
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Re: Rum - what's your favourite(s) ?

Postby Malt-Teaser » 20 Nov 2008, 10:57

I like rum in general, but have little knowledge of the more esoteric ones. Also, good ones (like good Cognacs) are quite hard to find here in Bayern.

I will keep an eye on this discussion and try to find some of the more recommended ones to try myself.
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Re: Rum - what's your favourite(s) ?

Postby Calliope » 20 Nov 2008, 11:51

I must have been about 20 before I realise there are rums that are not Bundaberg.

Other people might associate Australian booze with Fosters but I think the average Aussie asked to name a national drink would be much more likely to say Bundy (and to make a stupid joke about drop bears ;) )
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Re: Rum - what's your favourite(s) ?

Postby Frodo » 21 Nov 2008, 21:21

I currently have open Flor de Cana 18yr and Appleton 12yr and I must say that the FdC is a bit of a dissapointment. One thing I will say about Appleton is that it definatly seems to get better with age. The VX is not to my liking, the Extra has glimpses of something good and the 12 has "arrived" for me. The Blender's Legacy and the 21yr get better and better...


WhiskyViking wrote:PPS! Anybody had the Havana Club Cuban Barrel Proof?


My choice for family to bring back when they go to Cuba for a vacation. Very elegant but full of flavour.
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Re: Rum - what's your favourite(s) ?

Postby Frodo » 21 Nov 2008, 21:31

I do remember liking Cockspur VSOP and Cruzan SB very much as well...
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Re: Rum - what's your favourite(s) ?

Postby M.R.J. » 13 Dec 2008, 21:12

The beauty of rums, as whiskies, is that there are so many different styles and flavours. I actually got into superb rums before single malt whisky, whilst living in the Caribbean for some time in the 80's.

White and overproof rums are not really interesting to me, the golden and dark ones are. I will concentrate here on the latter.

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The one group of rums I've had the hardest time of finding any real favorites in is the agricultural style rums, i.e. the ones made of freshly crushed cane juice instead of molasses. Most of the examples I have tasted from islands Martinique, Reunion, Guadeloupe have been a little burning and harsh to my taste, lacking a smoothness and beauty I enjoy in rum. This is, of course, only my personal taste - I know plenty of people who truly enjoy the agricole-style rums. My favorite out of this category by far has to be the 15-year old Barbancourt from Haiti - a silky-smooth rum that is creamy; quite unusual in rums. Much debate ongoing whether or not Barbancourt or indeed any rum outside of Martinique (which received a D.O.C. in 1996 for rhum agricole Martinique) can actually be called a rhum agricole, because not all agricole's are made precisely same way to the letter, and some also argue that agricole refers to Martinique's terroir, and ONLY to that terroir. Hmm, each to their own, but even Martinique received the D.O.C. only in 1996.

Demerara rums from Guyana are truly beautiful rums with a fabulous heritage and pedigree. There used to be hundreds of sugar estates in Guyana, most situated nearby the Demerara river, each producing their own unique rum in style and flavour with their own stills. Nowadays one mother company owns most of the remaining stills and uses them to produce a wide variety of flavours. Skeldon, Versailles, Port Morant, Uivtlugt..just to mention some of the names related to the existing stills. These stills include world's oldest operational column still made of wood! The company is the one behind the wonderfully rich and aromatic El Dorado rums, I adore the El Dorado 15-year old as well as the 21-year old rum from El Dorado. Many fantastic old Demerara rums are bottled by independent bottlers in UK and in Italy (Cadenheads, Silver Seal, Luca Gargano, Berry bros, Bristol Spirits) and one can make real discoveries amongst these. OVD (Old Vatted Demerara) is worth mentioning, a nice and fruity blended demerara.

Jamaican rums have a history equal to the Guyanese, again a sad story as out of hundreds of stills & distilleries only 6 exist today to my knowledge. Pungent and powerful, partly due to the making process (pot still rums, and in fermentation the remains of previous fermentation called dunder are used to add to the process). Appleton is the big name here, by J. Wray & Nephew, and I would recommend anyone to try the Appleton Extra and their wonderfully dry Appleton 21-year old, with magnificent finesse. Other sometimes seen rum brands represent individual stills or distilleries and these are for example Monymusk rum and Long Pond.

Barbados has much going on right now - Mr. Richard Seale, an artesan of rums extraordinnaire, is even making an agricole-style rum (Saint Nicholas Abbey rum)there on the island which some say is the birthplace of rum. There is a great number of good rum coming from Barbados: Cockspur 12, Cockspur VSOR, Mt. Gay Extra Old, Doorly's extra old (aged in ex-sherry casks), plus some wonderful independently bottled rums such as the Rockley Still 16-year old rum finished in ex-fino from Bristol Spirits.

Trinidad has produced a lighter style rum for quite some time now - I believe even when they were using pot stills (now I gather all rum on the island is made with column-stills) the style was lighter - the lowlander of British colonial rums, I'd say! Caroni 1975 Ltd. is no longer in existence, but some wonderful examples of their rums can still be found in indy-bottles (by Luca Gargano and Bristol Spirits). Caroni was mainly state-owned and there was much talk about corruption to the highest degree that caused its demise. The remaining rum stocks are to be auctioned off. Angostura is almost the sole survivor now that sugar cane industry on the island has all but collapsed, and their Angostura 1824 12-year old is an intriguingly complex, layered rum that all should taste. The easier drinking Angostura 1919 8-year old is also very good. Angostura, once owned almost completely by Bacardi, produces more than 50 million litres of rum annually, most of it disappearing into the bulk rum markets, ending as a part of almost every well-known rum blend. LVMH is now making a young agricultural-style rum called 10 Cane on the island - not to my personal liking, but..

British Navy rum was a blend containing rums from Jamaica, Guyana, Barbados, Trinidad and British Virgin Islands, or so I have read. Some say the blend also contained a tiny little bit of an obscure South African rum, which was so pungent it had to be treated carefully in blending or it could spoil the mix completely. Nowadays Pusser's Navy rum and Pusser's 15-year old Navy rum are perhaps best examples of the navy rum style.

Hispanic style rums vary quite a lot, but to me at least they have some basic similarity in their flavour profile. They are dry, but still contain a basic sweetness, in the lack of better words to express this. A definite sugary essence is there as a backbone. From the famed (but very sweet) solera-made Ron Zacapa 23 centenario of Guatemala, with its licorice- and chocolate-like flavours, to Flor de cana from Panama, to Cuban rums (Havana Club, Ron Varadero, Ron Edmundo Dantes), to Dominican republic rums (Barcelo for example), to Venezuela (Pampero, Santa Teresa) and others like the also famed Matusalem Gran Reserva (now made in Puerto Rico?) and of course, the giant Bacardi - all these are wonderfully smooth, mellow rums with a roasted, sugary flavour. Again, this is just my opinion of course.

Many rums are made outside these areas and classifications - Where sugar is made from cane, rum can be found. English Harbour from Antigua (reminiscent to some degree of Bajan rums), Pyrat XO (very strong and definite orange liqueur flavour in this one!) Bundaberg from Australia, Khukri rum from Nepal, Tanduay from the Philippines (which is interestingly enough a huge rum-consumer country) etc. Many people swear by the Martinique rums of Neisson or Clement, or by Reunion's Riviere du mat Opus or Cap Savana - the flavours are different, taste before you buy (well, a smart thing to do always I guess). I do apologize if someone feels I have lumped their country or favorite rum unfairly to some group, but I admit to generalizing heavily in this post.

I personally have at the moment the following in my rum cabinet:

• 10 Cane Rum, Trinidad, 40%
• Angostura 1824 12yo, Trinidad 40%
• Angostura 1919 8yo, Trinidad 40%
• Appleton 21yo, Jamaica 43%
• Appleton Extra Jamaica rum
• Bacardi 8yo reserva superior
• Barangai Rum, Providence 1990, 15yo Trinidad rum, 55%
• Barbancourt 15yo, Haiti, 43%
• Borgoe 82, Surinam, 40%
• Brugal Extra Viejo, Dominican Republic, 38%
• Caroni Heavy Style Trinidad Rum 1983 – 22yo, blend of 78 barrels/20.986 bottles, Luca Gragano bottling, 52%
• Caroni Heavy Style Trinidad Rum 1982 – 23yo, stock of 8 casks, 1360 bottles, Luca Gragano bottling,62%
• Caroni Heavy Style Trinidad Rum 1982 – 23yo, 1 cask, 122 bottles, Luca Gragano bottling 77.3%
• Demerara – Diamond 2001 Sherrywood Cask, Special Ed. Painting Caribe, Guyana, 46%, 1 of 423 bottles
• Demerara Rum – Port Morant 14yo, Special ed. Painting Caribe, Guyana, 46%
• El Dorado 15yo, Guyana, 43%
• El Dorado 21yo, Guyana, 43%
• English Harbour Extra Old, Antigua rum, 40%
• Enmore Still Demerara dist.1988 – bottled 2000, 12yo, Bristol Spirits, Guyana, 46%
• Gold Magic rum, Caroni Distillers (1975) Ltd., Trinidad
• Havana Club Cuban Barrel Proof, 45%, Cuba
• Legends 2000 15yo rum, Caroni Distillers (1975) Ltd., 43%, Trinidad
• Long Pond Jamaica 16yo, Bristol Spirits classic rums, dist. 1986 – bottled 2002, oloroso finish, 46%, Jamaica
• Old Brigand “Finest Barbados Rum”, Extra Old 10 years, 43%
• Old Vatted Demerara OVD Rum, George Morton Ltd., Guyana
• Providence Estate Trinidad 10yo, Bristol Spirits classic rums, dist. 1990 – bottled 2000, 46%
• Pusser’s Navy rum 15yo, 40%
• Ron Barcelo Imperial, Dominican Republic
• Ron Cacique Antiguo, 40%, Venezuela
• Ron Varadero Gran Reserva, Anejo 15yo, 38%, Cuba
• Ron Zacapa Centenario, 23yo, 40%, Guatemala
• Royal Oak select Trinidad rum, 43%
• Santa Teresa 1796 Ron Antiquo de Solera, 15yo, Venezuela, 40%
• Special Old Cask 10yo, Caroni Distillers (1975) Ltd., Trinidad, 43%
• Tanduay 12yo, Philippines, 40%
• Tanduay 1854 Premium 15yo rum, Philippines
• Tanduay 18yo Barrel rhum, 40%, Philippinest
• Tanduay Centennial 23yo single barrel rum, 40%, Philippines
• The Versailles Still 18yo, Bristol Spirits Classic Rums, dist. 1984 – bottled 2002, port cask finish, Guyana, 46%

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Re: Rum - what's your favourite(s) ?

Postby C57 » 14 Dec 2008, 01:27

Interesting!
I love rum and I have friends from both Trinidad and Barbados.
Both have given me excellent rums.

For commonly available (in the UK) rums, Cockspur VSOP is unbeatable for me - but maybe that's because it costs me the £3 my friend pays when he's over there?

Anyway, rum's a lovely drink and although not as complex and interesting as malt, it does have lots of great variations.
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Re: Rum - what's your favourite(s) ?

Postby M.R.J. » 15 Dec 2008, 17:36

C57 wrote:Interesting!
I love rum and I have friends from both Trinidad and Barbados.
Both have given me excellent rums.


I used to live in Trinidad for a while a long time ago, back in the 80's.

For commonly available (in the UK) rums, Cockspur VSOP is unbeatable for me - but maybe that's because it costs me the £3 my friend pays when he's over there?


Funnily enough, I've never managed to find the Cockspur VSOR in UK shops, only the younger Cockspurs rum. Even that used to be hard to get when I was living in London after my time in Trinidad; I had to go to a small Bajan store in Tooting Bec or to another little store in Notting Hill area to get it..But VSOR, never got it. Royal Oak I brought with me from Trinidad, and of course Fernandes' VAT19.

Anyway, rum's a lovely drink and although not as complex and interesting as malt, it does have lots of great variations.


Ahh, well, beauty is in the eye of the beholder..I find rum equally complex a beast as single malt, but the main thing is that people do get to enjoy good rums these days again easier as the selections grow. The Indy-bottlers bring a whole different and wonderful angle to rum, just as they have done for Malt whisky.
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Re: Rum - what's your favourite(s) ?

Postby C57 » 15 Dec 2008, 17:40

Of course - VSOR not VSOP - doh!
I've seen it in a couple of places (TWE for example) and assumed it was readily available, for that reason. Maybe not so readily?

Hmmm, maybe I need to pay more attention to it, but I do find the sweetness masks some of the complexity I might expect from a barrel-matured coloured spirit.
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Re: Rum - what's your favourite(s) ?

Postby M.R.J. » 15 Dec 2008, 22:23

C57 wrote:Of course - VSOR not VSOP - doh!
I've seen it in a couple of places (TWE for example) and assumed it was readily available, for that reason. Maybe not so readily?

Hmmm, maybe I need to pay more attention to it, but I do find the sweetness masks some of the complexity I might expect from a barrel-matured coloured spirit.


This is most likely absolutely true. Too many rums are "commercialized" by adding caramel for colour (and I gather occasionally also sweetness), chill-filtering, charcoal filtering for added "mellowness" etc etc. I wish more producers would follow the whisky trail when it comes to additional filtration and loose it.

I was so very delighted to see in last summer's trip to Rome the largest variety of independently bottled rums which offer a choice for the connoisseur. The Italian independent bottlings come from the likes of Mr. Luca Gargano who pretty much bottles his rums straight from the barrel at full cask strength, whatever that may be. Samaroli does the same.

A pioneer in this field with cask strength rums has of course been Cadenheads of Scotland, and I have seen also some fantastic old Demeraras' from Gordon & McPhail. Mr. John Barrett of Bristol Spirits also does not charcoal filter his produce, albeit he does use wood finishes on occasion and usually bottles at 46% instead of full cask strength. Berry Bros offers also at 46% some excellent "fairly non-filtered" (I must sadly use this term as I am not fully aware of their policy on filtration) old Demerara's from the 1970's.
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Re: Rum - what's your favourite(s) ?

Postby Crieftan » 22 Dec 2008, 18:16

Rum? Good for cleaning the bog with..................... only joking guys. Jeez!

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Re: Rum - what's your favourite(s) ?

Postby Yello to Mello » 27 Jan 2010, 03:46

Im finishing my El Dorado 15....for rum I have to sip it differently than whisky. I have to get most of it on the tip of my tongue most of the time (for sweetness?)...whisky I almost roll it to the back and flatten out to the sides to get the full flavour.
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Re: Rum - what's your favourite(s) ?

Postby MacDeffe » 27 Jan 2010, 05:34

I hate rum

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Re: Rum - what's your favourite(s) ?

Postby breathecosse » 31 Jan 2010, 18:11

Been give a bottle of Mt Gay extra old.
Partial to some Cockspur Old Gold.
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Re: Rum - what's your favourite(s) ?

Postby C57 » 31 Jan 2010, 18:43

Welcome aboard Ray! :thumbsup:
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Postby breathecosse » 31 Jan 2010, 18:59

Thanks. Been lurking around for a while now.
Don't know why i have gave any input before really.
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Re: Rum - what's your favourite(s) ?

Postby Iain M » 15 Jun 2010, 00:57

I'm currently enjoying a lovely large litre bottle of Ron Zacapa 23 from Gatwick Airport at £36.95 - bargain!
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Re: Rum - what's your favourite(s) ?

Postby Mark C » 15 Jun 2010, 12:46

I recently tried some of the El Dorado range and was pleasantly surprised, my previous knowledge of rum writing them off as too sweet for my palate.

I'll need to check through this thread and try some more soon.
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